I can think of either the Chrysler Cirrus and Dodge Stratus. At least one of them has a faux grille that is plastic with ridges to make it look like it is a grille but is really sealed up from behind. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim > Got any specific examples of these models? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Mansheim" > > I think we've come full circle. The original point was that even though > many newer cars appear to have conventional air intakes, they are > actually 'bottom breathers', as evidenced by their ability to ingest > water, with deleterious effects on the engine. -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body