Perhaps the following points need to be added 11. Picstart Plus machines need to be upgraded periodically to keep up with the new processors 12. Power supplies for the PicStart Plus periodically need their electrolytics changing to stop problems as recommended by Roman. 13. Your PicStart Plus may not communicate with a fast processor. Keep a slow machine around as your programmer! 14. Picstart 16 series programmers are not an uncased version of the Picstart Plus. -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body