Just keep in mind that most 'supermagnets' need a serious coat of paint (better epoxy paint) because they are very allergic to water (even vapor) and contain a lot of environment-unfriendly metals (environment-unfriendly as in you-unfriendly when you are sloshin around the vehicle in the water). I have never seen anything rust as fast as a supermagnet. It went from dull gray surface to at least 1 mm deep rust in 45 minutes after the paint was accidentally scrapped off (at 80% humidity and 30 degrees C). Peter -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.