Rob, microchip makes ICSP adaptor for promate 2 I do not remember the part number but I use it all the time. It has dip switches under nit to choose your processor. it also has start button too after hex file loaded just press the button it will program. I paid $350 for it excellent unit. You can use what you made with it should work fine. Andre Guys our production group have just purchased a Promate II programmer, we purchased just one device adapter (the AC164012) to suit the DIP F877 devices. We were planning on using an inhouse made PLCC adapter for the 'F877s & 'F874s that we use currently on our Picstart +. It just has the 5 or so programming pins connected. We were also hoping to use the same adapter to program some 16F84s. We have tried programming some 'F874s in our adapter (plugged into microchips dip adapter) with no success - the error message is "Code Partially Protected". We are not currently setting the code protection bit. Has anyone any similar experience who may have some ideas on what may be causing our problems. best regard Rob Perth WA -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.