Chuck, I tried to find that MCstudio software you mentioned below, but only ended up getting pointed to this adult site by various search engines. Could you perhaps provide a link to it? It sounds interesting... Cheers, -Dave. Chuck Hellebuyck wrote: > Wouter's note below is great advice. > For anybody starting out, check out > http://www.elproducts.com > We have bootloader packages, in-circuit programming modules (zipper) > and even Basic Stamp replacement modules. > > Our bootloader board on the serial port, EPIC programmer on the > parallel port, and your favorite compiler or assembler running in a > windows editor (such as the free MCstudio) on the PC makes for a great > development package. > > --- wouter van ooijen & floortje hanneman wrote: > > > So what to choose after all this information? If you just want to > > start > > experimenting with PICs I would suggest to buy a 16F877, build one of > > the > > very simple serial-port HVP programmers that can be found > > piclist/techref > > and load a bootloader in the PIC, and from then on forget the HVP > > programmer > > (you could have build it on a solderless breadboard) and just use the > > bootloader. When and F877 is not available I guess the F628 is not > > available > > either, and the F84 is possible the only thing you can buy. Now you > > can > > either buy one, build a HVP programmer and use it (I strongly suggest > > that > > you select a programmer than can do ICSP), or buy two, build a simple > > HVP > > programmer to program one for my WISP design and use the other as > > target. > > > > When you want to do serious development work with PICs I suggest you > > buy a > > PicStartPlus or another programmer that can be updated for new PICs. > > When > > you want to do production programming (as opssosed to hobby work) > > select a > > programmer (for your choosen target chip, or maybe for the whole PIC > > range) > > that is advertised as "production" programmer. > > > > Wouter > > ===== > Chuck Hellebuyck > Electronic Products > chuck@elproducts.com > *****Program PICs Like a Pro********* > Complete package for only $279.95 > Includes: PBPro Compiler, EPIC Programmer, 16F84 PIC, Cable & Batteries > http://www.elproducts.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > -- > http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList > mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu -- David Venz (Software Engineer) Foxboro Australia Pty Ltd (ACN 000 522 261) 10 Brandl Street, Eight Mile Plains, QLD, 4113, Australia Direct Line: +61 (0)7 3340 2192 Switchboard: +61 (0)7 3340 2111 Facsimile : +61 (0)7 3340 2100 Email Address: davidv@foxboro.com.au World Wide Web Site: http://www.foxboro.com.au -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu