----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Mansheim > >> Is this all still true? > > > You are completely protected in these circumstances. > > > Yes. So, how hard is it to have a field reprogrammable unit that uses ICSP? Would it take a small pic external to the '77 to re-code RS232 to the ICSP signal? Unfortunately it would appear that that link would still be weak as it wouldn't be encrypted. I stayed out of the thread as I wasn't sure what the issues were. I can definitely see where Ron was troubled as his requirements seem to have him in a bind. To have a secure remotely programmable device is a tricky proposition, where Ron has what I would guess a decrypter in the bootloader to write the data, so the chip and data file you send to customers isn't readily crackable. I am curious if any other major uC lines have this sort of problem? I am not really familiar with much other than the PIC, but I've made a few programs for the 505x & 68HC11, neither seem to have anything that's all that conducive to such security measures, but there are plenty of clones that might. Jeff -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics