Jinx, power ultrasonic discs are always attached in a press type of mount, usually two sandwiching a donut copper electrode the other wire being the chassis and the bolt that goes through the assembly (w/o touching the middle donut). I don't know what ultrasonics you tried to desolder but in general when soldering directly on devices turn the iron thermostat way down and increase slowly until solder just tacks. Some ceramics are destroyed by local heating and could shatter or crack. They need preheating in a oven before soldering. Peter -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu