Jinx, use a thermostated iron, turn the temp way down (240C), put solder on the wire and then tack it on the silver side of the piezo while heating only the wire and the tiny solder bead on it. This takes some practice but it works. Peter -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu