Most of the world, and recently the USA, all use a 'first to file' issuance of patents. Until recently you could get a USA patent overturned by proving you invented it first (Gordon Gould Laser patents for example. He had a notarized notebook from the late fifties which documented lots of appications for 'coherent light' and he got a retroactive patent on for them, decades after the laser was 'invented' by Bells labs. This 'ambush' patent cost laser manufactures a great deal of retroactive royalties since it was easier to pay than litigate. In summary, a 'sealed envelope' is now next to useless for getting or challenging a patent in the USA. Roman Black wrote: > > Excellent ideas, and another I have heard is > that many bank branches offer a "sealed envelope" > service in their bank vault, for a small fee they > seal your envelope of legal documents or design > papers, stamp it, witness the time and date and > store it in their vault. > > As any patent is only as good as the amount of money > you spend in court defending it, systems like this > that prove the date of your design can be just as > defendable in court even if someone patents it > afterward. > -Roman > > Jinx wrote: > > > > > How does Joe Public go about this? > > > I've done it in a corporate setting, but that involved three steps. > > > > There is a cheap option that I use. It does indeed put people off > > copying, I've used it so. As soon as possible, put your idea or > > any documentation on a prototype in a registered envelope and > > post it to yourself. Do not open it when you get it. In NZ this is > > evidence that can be used to establish originality. > > > > The second alternative is to register the design, which will take > > NZ$200-$300 for the full service > > > > Neither of the two above offer the full protection of a patent (but let's > > face it, even the so-called protection of a full patent means nothing > > to a fly-by-night sweatshop). They are, however, substantially less > > expensive and at least show you mean business > > -- > http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! > email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body