Very strange but this is what I found. The problem is that there are artifacts (stray traces, etc.) on the .brd that I can't get rid of. I finally deleted the .brd file, opened the schematic file and had it create a new .brd file (so now I'll have to relocate the components and start over running traces). But the artifacts were still there! So, in the schematic I selected all of the circuit (not the frame) and did a copy. Opened a new schematic file. Pasted in the circuit. Create a new .brd file. Artifacts gone. OK. Next I deleted the new .brd file. Renamed one of the old .brd files in place of the new one. Checked it out and now I have my .brd as I was working on it but without the artifacts. So the artifacts were in the schematic file? DS -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.