Hi, I agree with you D Loyd. I had a look at Python a few months back. And It looked real good to me. I think it it is even better than Java in some aspects. There is a lot of hype surrounding Java and that is what keeps Java floating around. But I gotta tell one thing. Just because there is a lot of CPU power, it does not mean that it must be wasted. I believe that ease of coding has no point in the embedded world. So It'd be best to use the lowest level language possible. Assembly works fine most of the time. When the project gets a bit more complex a HLL like JAL or C would be ok. At the most, you can go upto C++(Not on PICs!). But using a 100 Mhz processor to run a tiny program in Java(That too not the full version of Java but a stripped down one) sounds ridiculous to me. Jeethu Rao -----Original Message----- From: pic microcontroller discussion list [mailto:PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU]On Behalf Of D Lloyd Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 1:04 PM To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Subject: [PIC]: Compiler.....+ Java Hi, I agree with the suggestions of a 'graphical' compiler. Something not unlike Xilinx where you may visually design state machines but be able to insert initialisation code etc "by hand." This method of abstract simulation and "automatic documentation" of systems is clearly a good way to go but it does, of course, make the project far more ambitious than writing a straight compiler. What are people's views on Java becoming an embedded language? OK, the PIC is not quite suitable for hosting a VM (unless one is built in!) but do people think that with the integration of the Internet with embedded products that Java will soon become the norm? Regards, Dan (Embedded Vasile Surducan @MITVMA.MIT.EDU> image moved 29/06/2001 06:06 to file: pic24168.pcx) Please respond to pic microcontroller discussion list Sent by: pic microcontroller discussion list To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU cc: Subject: Re: [PIC]: Compiler Security Level:? Internal On Thu, 28 Jun 2001, michael brown wrote: > Patrick, > > I think that's an ambitious but great project. Be forewarned that many here > will, in all probability, do their best to discourage you. They will tell > you that: you are wasting your time, open source is stupid, no one needs it, > and any number of other discouraging statements. Not at all ! Michael have right. There are many compilers. But what if an user don't like any one ? ( for example I hate C, that's why I'm working in JAL, ( http://come.to/jal ) a sort of friendly pascal. Some of my toys, in Jal, are at http://www.geocities.com/vsurducan/pic.htm If you want do to something really cool ( which probably will be difficult) think to a graphic language as G or to the ancient logo ( with turtle, remember ? ) There are a lot of hardware people which would love to play with microcontrollers, why not in a way like Lab View does. Other pic listers will point to picnpoke site. Ok, but this isn't free or open project. An open project said a lot about what kind of person is the man behind that project... A good compiler has libraries for many devices, forget other microcontrollers than flash types, thus you'll have fans which will write libraries and verify your work. I think you must try ! Sincerely yours, Vasile -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu