In the San Diego area we've had a red-light photo enforcement for several years now - $271 fine, 40/60 split between the city & Lockheed-Martin, which provides the equipment, fingers the presumptively guilty. In practice the cameras are installed at high volume intersections (not high-accident intersections), and the yellow-light times are reduced to enhance the take. I'm a bicyclist - If there's an up side to motorists running lights I've missed it, but the scheme ignores the common, deadly practice of motorists turning right on red without slowing down, much less stopping - Turning right, looking left... Jack -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body