It seems to me that Olin is a guy who values his time highly, yet he obviously contributes a fair amount of it to responding to the posts that he chooses. Not only do his technical answers seem well considered and helpful, I personally cannot find fault with his non-technical suggestions either. I agree. Olin's contributions outweigh his occasional curmudgeonly comments by a long shot. Besides, people treating the piclist like it's some paid-for customer-support service ("It's been 24 hours! Where's the answer to my question!") pisses me off almost as much as it does him. :-) BillW -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.