Robert, it is "Implied License" not Copyright. The known purpose of a public forum is to redistribute the posts to the public. There are no "PIClist owners" other than Jory, the people who control the allocation of resources of the machine mitvma.mit.edu, and the good members of the list. Why? Because "he who can destroy a thing, owns a thing." If Jory says "no more piclist" or MIT says "no more piclist" or the members stop posting or unsubscribe enmass, then there is no more piclist. If anyone incurs a real cost in the distribution of the list to the public, they have every right to try to recoup that cost. Profit may be a more unjustified point, but I'm not interested in that anyway, except possibly as a way to encourage authors to publish. For the 2,798th time. I'm NOT TRYING TO GET RICH OFF THE PICLIST. Why is that so hard to believe? It strikes me as a form of elitism that no one has a problem with people reading the archive or site if they have internet access, but that those who don't, or for whom it costs a great deal, or is very slow, publication in other media is not allowed? The only difference is that other media cost more up front. The one time cost of a big download, CD, or (worst case) a book, is much more for the publisher (me) but it allows the user to avoid the continuing cost of internet access over a period of time. The forum is simply re-distributing the posts that were sent to it which is the ENTIRE POINT OF HAVING A FORUM! That is where the legal "implied license" comes in. I even volunteered to share any profits with major contributors. I don't understand the objections. P.S. Please change the topic tag when you change the topic. James Newton, PICList Admin #3 mailto:jamesnewton@piclist.com 1-619-652-0593 phone http://www.piclist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert A. LaBudde To: Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2001 11:24 Subject: Re: [PIC]: Timer0 Interrupt Timing At 10:23 AM 6/23/01 -0400, Olin wrote: > > > > http://www.piclist.com/postbot.asp?id=piclist\1997\03\27\145834a > > > > > > > > > >This really ticks me off. I do not like the piclist site or its policies > > >or its snoopyness. There are less intrusive methods of preventing email > > >address mining. Why, for instance, do you need my phone number?? > > > > > >Also, what's this crap about reserving the right to sell data? I never > > >gave piclist.com any right to profit from me, no matter how benign the > > >intent. I also never gave piclist.com permission to use or edit my works > > >and then sell them. > >I just read that and it didn't seem like a big deal to me. Maybe that's >because I just always assume that I've lost control over anything I send to >a public email list or newsgroup. If I want to retain some rights to >something, I post it on my own web pages with suitable copyright notices, >then only reference it by URL on a public list. That way I have complete >control and it's easier to update and maintain. For example, see >http://www.embedinc.com/pic. Piclisters and Piclist owners should note that just because a program is posted on PICLIST doesn't necessarily mean that the copy is no longer owned by the expressing party. Under current USA copyright law, it is not necessary to mark the copy with a copyright. The copyright can be imposed and perfected at a later date. Otherwise simply playing or singing a song would lose the author all rights to the music. How many times have you heard a "copyright notice" line at the end of a concert? Collecting and selling email posts and contained programs may end up Piclist in the same place Napster did! The Piclist owners should have obtained copyright releases from members when they signed up, or get them now from the posters that are being copied. Of course, this only applies to the possible damages from copyright infringement, not proprietary property. Those rights are lost upon the public utterance of the contents of the email. If the book and CD do not generate profits (e.g., sold for cost), the issue is probably a moot point. ================================================================ Robert A. LaBudde, PhD, PAS, Dpl. ACAFS e-mail: ral@lcfltd.com Least Cost Formulations, Ltd. URL: http://lcfltd.com/ 824 Timberlake Drive Tel: 757-467-0954 Virginia Beach, VA 23464-3239 Fax: 757-467-2947 "Vere scire est per causas scire" ================================================================ -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.