You want this "job" you can have it Bob. I'm sure you will do fine and show a much more even and fair hand than I. But are you committed enough to the list to do what it takes? Have you spent the time to build an FAQ? Setup and Archive? Host it? Police the list? Bring constant unmarked Off Topics and flame wars to almost a dead stop? I could sure use some help, are you volunteering? I don't know what Jack Boots are, but I have only been intolerant of intolerance and I have been more lenient with people who have been valuable (in terms of helping people) than I have with people how are infrequent or unhelpful posters. Even very helpful members will get kicked off after I give up on trying to get them to not be jerks on the list. How in the heck did you get that I "own" the archive? I said it is in the "PUBLIC domain" no one owns it. I've paid for the hard drive space and internet access to host it. You wouldn't even have access to a complete archive if I hadn't taken the time to build it up and make it available. How can you be so ungrateful? Who exactly have I been disrespectful to? And how? If you are going to accuse me publicly, you should be able to present some evidence of my "wrong doing" and if you want to smear my name in public I'd really appreciate some precise examples of how I could have conducted myself better that I haven't already admitted to. I'm not above admitting mistakes and I want to learn how to do better. At some point I DO intend to publish (at cost, not for profit) the contents of the FAQ on a CD or zip for download and offline use. It strikes me as a form of elitism that no one has a problem with people reading the archive or site if they have internet access, but that those who don't, or for whom it costs a great deal, or is very slow, publication in other media is not allowed? The only difference is that other media cost more up front. The one time cost of a big download, CD, or (worst case) a book, is much more for the publisher (me) but it allows the user to avoid the continuing cost of internet access over a period of time. The forum is simply re-distributing the posts that were sent to it which is the ENTIRE POINT OF HAVING A FORUM! That is where the legal "implied license" comes in. I even volunteered to share any profits with major contributors. I don't understand the objections. James Newton, PICList Admin #3 mailto:jamesnewton@piclist.com 1-619-652-0593 phone http://www.piclist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Blick To: James Newton. Admin 3 Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 15:51 Subject: RE: [OT]: piclist.com > I guess I know why you are so concerned about that archive.... I notice you didn't CC this to the list. It was a message I had addressed incorrectly and wasn't happy to see it go to a thousand people, but there it is, I don't lose sleep over it any more. I made peace with the people involved. > Funny how this sort of shit tapered off after I became an admin. Maybe my > "policies" have some value? What shit are you referring to? Olin insulting people all the time and getting away with it? At least mine was accidental. > Or is it something other than that? What is it that is really pissing you > off about me and my site and the PICList? I object to your heavy-handed approach to some members of the piclist while you ignore others. I'd prefer you left your jack-boots at home. I really hate your "owning" the piclist archive, and what's this about you being up front about it unlike others? Behavior relative to bad behavior is not neccessarily good. James, I'm not the only person who feels this way. You put yourself in people's faces and you should expect to have people pissed off with you on a regular basis. However, if you treated them with respect it might come off a little better. Just because you are performing a "service" does not mean you are doing good. I pay a bandwidth bill out of my own pocket, but my website has my stuff on it, and I'm not selling it. If you sell the piclist to try to recoup some of that, you ruin the piclist. I would never post to the piclist if I thought it was going to be archived on CD and sold, or if you decide to start a business that needs to mine the archive. Maybe you already do that. After reading some of that enrollment form, I have serious doubts about your motives. -Bob -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.