thanks for the programming tutorial answers guys heres another silly question how does one program a pic? do i have to by a programmer type device? or is there a rs232 type cable i can build (like the bot-board [HC11] computer connection)? my boss has purchased the ?picplus? (not sure if that is right) and was wondering if it would be able to reburn a eeprom in it. we are using the PIC16C711, is there any info (i have the 16C71X doc from Microchip) or hints for using/programming the device? any help is greatly apreciated thanks alot guys! -- later - Chris Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes a bolt -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.