On Mon, 11 Jun 2001, David VanHorn wrote: > I once said this oughtta be a faq: > > http://www.dvanhorn.org/Micros/All/Crystals.php All I was asking is whether I was the only one who has never -- not once -- seen a board fail to start without caps. 8080, 8085, Z80, 8048, 8051, 8052, Lord knows how many 7404-based oscillators driving various circuits and half a dozen PIC flavors, construction ranging from wire wrap to perfboard to PCB to dead bug, and I've never seen an oscillator not start since I started playing with these things in about 1979 or '80. Granted, I have never put anything into volume production, but that's why I was asking. I've read the app notes. I understand the theory. That's what makes me curious. I'll quit asking questions now before I get a reputation for stirring up trouble... Dale (n0xas) -- A train stops at a train station. A bus stops at a bus station. On my desk I have a workstation... -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads