On Mon, 11 Jun 2001, Niklas Wennerstrand wrote: > You cant toss away the caps, they are needed. You can experiment with their > values to get the oscilator design to fit your microcontroller. I'm just curious. Am I the only one who has never used capacitors with the crystal, and never had one fail to start? Or is this one of those "it will work for more repetitions than you can test for one-offs and prototypes but don't trust it for production" things? Dale -- A train stops at a train station. A bus stops at a bus station. On my desk I have a workstation... -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads