Hello, I am very eager to get started in this PIC stuff. I bought "programming and customizing PICmicro microcontrollers" by Myke Predko and "PIC micrcontroller project book" by John Iovne and read as much as could handle. I learn better hands on. So I would like to start playing but it appears the first thing I need to do is but a programmer. I am looking at the PICStart Plus or thinking about building the El Cheapo. But before I made a move I was hoping to get some input from the ones already doing this. I am completely new to al this and I am looking far any and all input. Are there better books or websites to read is there other things I need to be aware of or other programmer solutions? Thank you -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu