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From: "wouter van ooijen & floortje hanneman" <wf@XS4ALL.NL>

> > Finally, math is great, science is great but is
> > only 99.9 (repeating but not to infinity)% accurate.
>
> You should make a big distinction between math and science.
>
> Math in itself has nothing to do with the real word, it is just deriving
> consequences from a axioms.

There in lies the whole problem.  Axioms have not been proven to be true and
they cannot be proven, therefore I pose the question, "How can we create
'proofs' based on 'ideas' (axioms) that are said to be self-evident
truths?".  Using this line of reasoning, couldn't I say that 'magic' is real
since it appears to be 'self evident' and it is repeatable?

>In math you can prove such a consequence. Sorth
> of an error in the proof in math "once proven is forever true". But note
> that there are a large number of mathematical systems, and what is true in
> one system (there is no x such that x*x=-1) can be false in another
system.
>
> Science is (simplified) applying math to the real world. One guy just
poses
> some theory, and when others can not disprove it in reasonable time it is
> said to hold. But that does not mean it is the truth, just that it is the
> best we have up to now.
>
> Wouter

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