----- Original Message ----- From: wouter van ooijen & floortje hanneman > > I totally agree. For now I think the official hobbiest entry PIC should > be the 16F876 > > I think the 16F628 makes more sense as a low-buget entry. For a higher > budget I would prefered the 16F877. How much cheaper is the F628 vs. the F877? (BTW I can't find F628 in my catalogs). I don't know how much they cost in NL, but the F877s cost $10 USD in the US, compare that to the F84's $7 USD, I think that with the extra pins versus the extra cost it is a bargain to go straight to the F877, although I did have to spend a few minutes figuring out that certain features were default enabled at startup that I didn't want. The only big downside is waiting to flash the entire 8k program space. I actually started with a 12C672 as I couldn't get my 16F84s to work with an external oscillator. I found out later I was being dumb but an internal osc. cuts out a little bit of work and components. I didn't know about Amtel's line or that they had 8 pin chips, I might have tried them instead, they even have 8 pin chips with flash now, something I'd like. Jeff -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu