I do a fair amount of "mobile repair" (servicing coin operated games) and a spring loaded pluger sucker is my best friend. Replace the tip when it gets deformed, you can lightly lub the plunger & gasket for better performance. Use a good soldering iron, pencil point. Push the leg from one side of the hole to the other while heating & then suck it clean, go to the next pin. After doing all the pins, re visit each pin & push it back to the other side of the hole, this should free it from the hole if you did a good job removing the solder. Gently pry up on the chip, pay close attention to the power & ground traces as these are usually bigger & sink you heat while desoldering (and don't suck as clean as other pins). No I don't have 100% success either, once in a blue moon I will pull a trace, but for $8.00 and a bit of practice it is the best of the cheap methods for me. Kev > Anybody have tips on removing a 16F877 from a PCB without destroying the board ? (i don't have one of those expensive > desoldering stations) > > I know those spring-loaded plunger types are useless, they will ruin a PCB 99% of the time. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu