All, Working with SMD devices really isn't all that difficult. And I would urge anyone who isn't working with SMD now to at least give it a try. The parts are about the same or less cost than the thru hole counterparts, SMD can really save space, even the PCB layout is generally simpler (at least in my experience) because there are fewer thru holes and vias to be concerned with. All in all, SMD has a lot to offer the hobbiest. After all, commercial interests wouldn't use it if it wasn't less expensive or offer something that the older technologies didn't offer. And yes, I know the commercial interests have all the equipment to make SMD work as easy as pie, but that doesn't mean that a hobbiest can't take advantage of the technology just because he (she) hasn't got the specialized equipment to do it on a full scale. All I'm saying is I believe you are causing unecessary work for yourself sometimes if you don't use SMD technology. To be fair though, if you don't mind working with thru hole stuff, and you always have enough room to put your parts on a board even though the size of the board has to be withing such and such limits, by all means use thru hole. But if you're like me, and have to put 5 gallons of parts on a 4 gallon board, give SMD a try. If you do, I'll bet you'll wonder why you didn't try it before. Just my 2 cents worth. I'm done now. Regards, Jim On Tue, 29 May 2001, wouter van ooijen & floortje hanneman wrote: > > > You haven't ever heard of OTP and SMD Pics? Lucky I have. ;-) > > Yes, but I am a hobbyist with typical hybbist level tools (mainly > protoboards), so I use no SMD. For the JW's ICSP has no advantage (for me) > and I don't do large series, so for the occasional OTP I use the PicStart. > > Wouter > > -- > http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different > ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details. jim@jpes.com -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.