> You haven't ever heard of OTP and SMD Pics? Lucky I have. ;-)

Yes, but I am a hobbyist with typical hybbist level tools (mainly
protoboards), so I use no SMD. For the JW's ICSP has no advantage (for me)
and I don't do large series, so for the occasional OTP I use the PicStart.

Wouter

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