Most have ruled it out already but I think a conductivity probe could still be worth trying out. A few years back I made conductivity probe circuits for use in dairy sheds (milking sheds). If set too sensitive they would act on milk froth, which in that case was an undesireable characteristic because we wanted to read milk level. Perhaps a couple of narrow stainless steel probes placed as far apart as possible to prevent froth hanging between them.You could add another probe to measure liquid level too if that is an advantage. Increasing the frequency of the AC bias applied to the probes to a few hundred khz allows capacitve sensing (or even a hybrid capacitance/conductance method), so you could use a metal plate under the cup for the earth instead of an earth probe. Regards, Brent Brown Electronic Design Solutions 16 English Street Hamilton, New Zealand Ph/fax: +64 7 849 0069 Mobile/text: 025 334 069 eMail: brent.brown@clear.net.nz -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics