> Microchip's ICE goes for $1525.00, plus the cost ($450) for each processor > module you'd like to interface to. Not a cost I'd spend on a piece of hobby > equipment for one feature (or lack of) which seemingly might be able to be > implemented directly on the chip in a single flag bit. I need a better > solution than this. I think you still don't get it. Microchip does not, nor should not, care what you or anyone else that buys ten processors wants. Anyone who can't justify the ICE for PIC development is obviously never going to cause them any meaningful sales. Think of it another way. How many more PICs will they sell if they implement such a feature? You're already using PICs, so probably none to you. They still have the best environment for hobbiest out there so they will sell the same number to the same hobbiests. Either way that number is so small to be irrelevant. Now think of how many PICs they might NOT sell if they had to charge a little more for each one. Price is extremely important when the volumes are in the millions. Just 1 cent more costs the buyer $10,000. That's how much engineering the customer can afford to save a penny. If Motorola, TI, Intel, etc, has a processor that can do the job for a penny less that's what will get used. Keeping the per unit cost down is Microchip's true competitive pressure. The development tools only need to be non-prohibitive for serious customers (who by the way get a discount on them anyway). Microchip correctly realizes that good support is more important than a few hundred dollars on development tools cost, although the Microchip tools are priced quite reasonably. ******************************************************************** Olin Lathrop, embedded systems consultant in Littleton Massachusetts (978) 742-9014, olin@embedinc.com, http://www.embedinc.com -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body