At 01:54 PM 5/3/01 -0700, you wrote: >Amazing... > >...so no one with an ICD will be able to program the chip on the bot board >and single step code while running the bot? > >...and you can't use a bootloader? > >...so, pretty much, you program the chip off the bot, insert it in the bot, >and hope it works? > >...and that's NOT a ZIF socket, and it doesn't look like there's room for >one... > >wow... > Gosh, how soon we get locked into relying upon these new-fangled inventions. But, as it turns out, I needed to add another 0.1" in height to the PICoBotboard - now 2.6" x 4.1" - and is be room to add a std ICSP header, which would normally be: Mclr-Vdd-Gnd-RB7-RB6 1- Will this be adequate for using new-fnagled ICDs and bootloader? 2 - Do you need RB3? 3 - The RB lines normally go straight into the ULN2803, which is about 5K input resistance. Will the ICD handle this loading ok? Also, as this is a targeted application, and not a dev board, no way it's ever gonna have a ZIF. thanks, - dan michaels www.oricomtech.com ====================== -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.