> I don't agree with you! > ATMEL for example, or its partners, provides excellent > editor-compiler-debugger with all you need to develop software in a serius > "develop-enviromnent", including a lot of these libraries that I'm looking > for PIC. So go use Atmel and spare us the whining. That fact that you're still here proves that Microchip is somehow providing decent overall value. How many hundreds of thousands of PICs were you planning on buying anyway? If you were just going to buy a ten, there is no reason Micrcochip should care about you. If you were going to buy a large quantity, you'd be more concerned about the unit price and not about whether you need to pay $500 for a compiler. The support provided by Microchip is way ahead of the other microcontroller manufacturers. I think Microchip has made very good tradeoffs between what development tools are provided for free and which they charge for. By the way, I'm not sure what value somebody else's idea of IIC, UART, etc routines would be anyway. While I certainly reuse code between projects heavily, I still often end up with customizations to suit different projects' needs. This isn't Windows where you can just install a COM port driver. ******************************************************************** Olin Lathrop, embedded systems consultant in Littleton Massachusetts (978) 742-9014, olin@embedinc.com, http://www.embedinc.com -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads