I just noticed that mChip has formally announced the flash 18F010 family of chips, based on the16-bit 18C core, in 8 bit packages. These tiny babies actually support ICD! General availability in June. Now where are the 28/40 pin 18F chips. (I'm still waiting!) Bob Ammerman RAm Systems (contract development of high performance, high function, low-level software) -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu