If someone would take the time to write a little ASP page (VBScript, JScript, or even PerlScript) or .exe (Cgi-bin with source) with an MDB or SQL or whatever database for registering old hardware and provide a function for people to specify what countries they are willing to donate into or collect requests for that hardware and forward the requests to the owner, I would be happy to host it on piclist.com. I'll add it to my todo list, but it will be down the ways a bit. --- James Newton (PICList Admin #3) mailto:jamesnewton@piclist.com 1-619-652-0593 PIC/PICList FAQ: http://www.piclist.com or .org -----Original Message----- From: pic microcontroller discussion list [mailto:PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU]On Behalf Of Bruce Cannon Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 13:12 To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Subject: Re: [OT]: The value of a donation Setting aside the intellectual property issues for a moment and looking at the underlying message of the original post, I know for a FACT that people on this list would be happy to send their old tools to other people on this list in need. Maybe some clever person could even organize/formalize some sort of format to facilitate exchange? In any event, there are a lot of smart people out there who need tools, there's a lot of unused tools sitting on shelves and even getting tossed. I, for example, have untold thousands of dollars in useless (to me) software (last version of Office or a compiler), hardware (earlier programmer, emulator), and books (electronics, programming, PC) in my lab. And I assume that I might be less obsolescence-endowed than more experienced technologists. Helping them would help us too, I'm convinced of that (but don't think the debate of that question is really PICLIST material). At any rate it sure wouldn't cost much. Bruce Cannon Silicon Crucible (510) 787-6870 1228 Ceres ST Crockett CA 94525 Remember: electronics is changing your world...for good! > -----Original Message----- > From: pic microcontroller discussion list > [mailto:PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU]On Behalf Of Milan Pavlica (YU7AEC) > Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 11:40 AM > To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU > Subject: Re: [OT]: The value of a donation > > > > > myke predko wrote: > > > Milan, > > > > I'm disturbed by the request for cracked software (along with > many people). > > It seems discordant to me to ask for people to both donate and > steal. It is > > one thing to appeal for older unused hardware from the owners and it is > > another to ask people to break agreements which they have regarding > > software. > > Are you sure that everybody on this list use full registered > software? That NO > ONE EVER break licence agreement??? I would not bet on that... > If i keeped my mouth shut, and never say that i use eg. hacked version of > Win,Office etc, anyone never suspect on me. > Again, I HAVEN'T called on piracy, I just told, what is happening here.. > I NEVER wrote crack, and I NEVER manually crack any software... > Also, i do not remeber that i ever asked on this list to send me > some software > and/or crack... > > > Rather than asking for cracked software from people on the PICList, why > > don't you appeal for legitimate limited use licenses of the > software from > > the owners? I would be surprised if you received unconditional > rejections > > if you were to plead your case to the publishers and ensured that the > > software was not distributed beyond the limits to which it was given. > > Yeah, i dont need to mention, that i have emailed to a LOT of > companies (do not > need to mention their names, but they are well-known companies), which are > developing PCB software, compilers, programmers, simulators > etc...i got 0 (zero) > answers.No one reanswer me to ask how to help - to get lower > price or some other > idea. Simple politic - "don't have money - can't use software..." > And, also, i will ask you how you will act after 10years of > isolation, when on > 10km from you is war...Normal pay here (my both parents) for ONE > month is 70$ > !!!! > Claculate how long them (and me) need to work to buy a simple programmer, > compiler or some PCB draft software... > Of course, that $70 is brutto - where is to pay taxes etc...how > much i have > cashe lefted? > I dont offer you a piracy - i just told how it work here... > "Take-it&shut - or > leave-it" > > > > myke > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Roman Black" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 12:08 PM > > Subject: Re: [OT]: The value of a donation > > > > > Bob Ammerman wrote: > > > > > > > > Milan pronounced: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I allways can offer to help somene with some advice or > idea. Maybe to > > write > > > > some >oftware (or to send cracked version or crack for commercial > > > > software...)...The best >stuff we have here is > knoweledge....and piracy, > > of > > > > course.. > > > > > > > > >Milan > > > > > > > > Please, please, please tell me this was sarcasm. > > > > > > > > > Bob, I don't want to sound as though I am defending > > > piracy but really the piclist should be greater than > > > any one person's social or political views. Even in > > > Australia where I am, and I consider it to be a wealthy, > > > lucky country the average wage is pehaps half of the > > > average wage in the USA, and many technological items > > > cost much more here. Two or three times as much. > > > > > > When people like Milan and Alexandre talk about things > > > like someone giving them a 16F84 makes all the difference > > > you have to wonder about the things we take for granted. > > > I order 16F84 in the 100's or 500's. Who cares if I > > > fry one? But to someone in a country where they earn > > > many times less than you and things cost many times > > > more to buy, you must expect a difference in the value > > > of items and the way they are treated. > > > > > > So you might think it is right to spend one week's > > > wages and buy the latest compiler, but if you were > > > really struggling to feed your family and the new > > > compiler cost a YEARS wages maybe that would change > > > your views? I know there have been some strong threads > > > here about intellectual property, but if some people > > > are too poor to EVER afford your software does it hurt > > > you economically if maybe some of them use it without > > > permission? Maybe this is like a de-facto form > > > or charity where the rich help the needy anyway. > > > The world balances out, it always has. > > > > > > I respect your moral values but I also respect > > > other people's values and try to remember that > > > my values are for me. :o) > > > -Roman > > > > > > -- > > > http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different > > > ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different > > ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details. > -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body