This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------2F938AD173A4E25734C72065 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No problem at all...just different views, from different locations... After all, we are pople with same headache with PICs...that could not passed us... :) Regards! Milan Jim Paul wrote: > I feel humbled at this heartfelt realization of the current conditions in > some countries > in this world. Conditions that are appalling by anyones standards. But, > for whatever > reason, the political leaders of the country in question, have deemed it > necessary to > run the country the way they do. The problem with this is the people, the > citizens, are > the ones who suffer. The political leaders live in the lap of luxury while > the poor citizens > have to beg, borrow, or steal what they need just to survive. > > We here in the US do have it rather good. So good in fact that we (I) > sometimes completely > forget to think about other countries and what they have to go through in > terms of economic > and political conditions. We in the US have, in most cases, a decent wage, > a roof over our > head, and plenty of food. Mind you, there are exceptions, but generally > speaking, the above mentioned conditioned are true. > > So, with that in mind, I would like to pubically apologize for my lack of > appreciation for the > conditions some people have to endure. But again I say that, from my > perspective, I still > believe that cracking other people's programs for whatever reason should not > be done. > But I can speak only for me. I cannot, and will not, speak for someone > else. This is an > issue that that person has to deal with, and to make up their own mind on > the ethical and > legal issues. I am very fortunate to live in such a wonderful, free, and > rich country. I would > not trade this for anything. (At least I don't think I would). But I want > everyone to know that > if there is anything I can do for someone in a country that is not as free > and wealthy as the > one I live in (US), let me know. I will try my hardest to accomodate that > person and their > request. I am a Christian person, and helping others is the Christian > thing to do. I know > that the preferences of this list say not to discuss political and religous > issues. But in this > case I feel justified. And I will not say anything more about it now as > I've said all I want to say > about it. > > So, in summary, I have a renewed appreciation for conditions in other > countries around the world. > And, I would like everyone around the world to know that if I can, I will > help you however I can. > And I still stand on my principles about the cracking and piracy of > software. I just cannot justify it > from my point of view. But then again, I don't have the same issues and > problems that some people have to worry about. So, I'll leave each person > to determine the moral and legal issues for himself. > > Regards, > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: Predrag Djordjevic > To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU > Date: Sunday, April 29, 2001 8:20 PM > Subject: Re: The value of a donation > > >Hello there, > > > >Milan is alone in this discussion. Little support is wort of time. > > > >I bought Borland C++ 1.0 in 1990, with books & licence, > >I bought Force dBase compiler, with books & licence, > >I paid for my MSDOS 3.3 and WIN3.1, because someone sell all of these > >and amount of money was adequate. > > > >In 1993 my salary, due to inflation (bigger than in Germany before > >W.W.II), drop to price of matchbox. My company paid me with eggs, meat > >and other food. Many company let people out of job. They start in grey > >economy. > > > >Nobody want my software, or my hardware project. People want food. > > > >After some time my PC was outdated and after long saving I collect > >enough to buy better motherboard and more memory, and after another > >saving I bought 1.3HDD. After this upgrade I can't put any money on a > >side because my two daughters rich secondary school. > >I was the last in my city who upgrade from win3.1 to win95. I must > >upgrade because my software is outdated with appearance of win95. Am I > >pay for win95? No. My friend gave me a copy on floppies because I don't > >have CD. And so on... > > > >Do I have to have computer. Yes. This is the way I earned extra money > >for my family. There is another reason. Computer is a way to stay with > >clear mind. Here in Serbia, we have only two group of people, 2% of very > >rich and other is poor. Middle class disappear. It's very hard to > >explain way of living this 98% which must support children in school or > >college and watch EXPENSIVE autos with underage (18-21) children of the > >rich people and his luxury houses (palaces)... > > > >Well, what is my point. I want to live better. I am not guilty for > >situations around me. Computer help me to survive, more mentally than > >materially. I do not want to use unlicensed software but there is not > >another way. If I want to sell data base programme I must use Access > >because all have it. My Force data base programs is not looking good > >like Access. Am I buy Access? No. > >I started to write my own miscellaneous software from scratch but I > >haven't so much time to finish it. I started to use another people > >software (shareware, freeware, tryware). I like Euphoria, but how to pay > >$30 for full release (300 instruction boundary). Banking system doesn't > >work. I can't sent money to Euphoria man. I didn't pirated Euphoria, I > >start to use Java. I am old fashioned 47 and I am close to limits of > >adoption of new concepts and new knowledge in computer race. > >I must support my family and use what is accessible, to me and to my > >computers hard disk. > > > >Milan Pavlica didn't mean any harm, hi is painfully conscious of his > >reality and miss the point. We do not need charity, we need to live like > >ordinary people who can buy what they want. But this is not possible if > >someone great think that know better what is good for us than we and > >fill our backyard with nuclear and other (non piclisters) junk. > > > >This is piracy with crossed boons and scull. My country is pirated and > >nobody cry outthere, but piclisters doesn't know anything about that. > >Come and live with us one month with amount of money we have. After that > >think about cracking. > > > >Pedja > > > >Jim Paul wrote: > >> > >> All, > >> > >> My 2 cents worth.... > >> > >> What Milan says is all well and good up to the point where he talks about > >> cracked software and crack for software. > > > >-- > >http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different > >ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details. > > > > > > > > -- > http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different > ways. 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