Milan, > > I'm disturbed by the request for cracked software (along with many people). > > It seems discordant to me to ask for people to both donate and steal. It is > > one thing to appeal for older unused hardware from the owners and it is > > another to ask people to break agreements which they have regarding > > software. > > Are you sure that everybody on this list use full registered software? That NO > ONE EVER break licence agreement??? I would not bet on that... > If i keeped my mouth shut, and never say that i use eg. hacked version of > Win,Office etc, anyone never suspect on me. > Again, I HAVEN'T called on piracy, I just told, what is happening here.. > I NEVER wrote crack, and I NEVER manually crack any software... > Also, i do not remeber that i ever asked on this list to send me some software > and/or crack... Maybe I misinterpreted the comment or misattributed to you: "Maybe to write some software (or to send cracked version or crack for commercial software...).". If I did I apologize. If I didn't, please explain what you meant. > > Rather than asking for cracked software from people on the PICList, why > > don't you appeal for legitimate limited use licenses of the software from > > the owners? I would be surprised if you received unconditional rejections > > if you were to plead your case to the publishers and ensured that the > > software was not distributed beyond the limits to which it was given. > > Yeah, i dont need to mention, that i have emailed to a LOT of companies (do not > need to mention their names, but they are well-known companies), which are > developing PCB software, compilers, programmers, simulators etc...i got 0 (zero) > answers. Actually, I think you *do* need to mention this. > No one reanswer me to ask how to help - to get lower price or some other > idea. Simple politic - "don't have money - can't use software..." Who were the companies? I would appreciate it if you would publish the companies, your emails to them and their replies. Maybe I'm completely off base on what I'm saying below. > And, also, i will ask you how you will act after 10years of isolation, when on > 10km from you is war...Normal pay here (my both parents) for ONE month is 70$ > !!!! > Claculate how long them (and me) need to work to buy a simple programmer, > compiler or some PCB draft software... > Of course, that $70 is brutto - where is to pay taxes etc...how much i have > cashe lefted? > I dont offer you a piracy - i just told how it work here... "Take-it&shut - or > leave-it" I feel like I've walked into a trap with this one. The issue of whether or not anybody on the list is using software illegally is not an issue in this discussion. Along with this, I don't think its possible to rationally discuss what a "have not" country is entitled to. The issue is whether or not it is appropriate to request/offer cracked software. Personally, I am a firm believer that anybody who creates something has the right to specify under what conditions that material is distributed. If a company/author will only distribute an application at exorbitant prices then I don't see any problem with it - I'm sure they most could legitimately argue that their costs are based on making a specific profit for overhead, investor dividends and whatever. Having said this, I do not see any reason why it would be inappropriate emailing them asking for help, setting up a page accusing them of gouging poor countries or even petitioning a national government to negotiate changes in how the application is distributed in certain parts of the world. A great example of the latter is South Africa demanding (and getting) lower cost AIDs medications. You may not appreciate it, or downplay it because the conditions aren't as desperate as what you are living in, but the people working in the big, rich software companies are writing code for the same reasons you are; to feed their families and make their lives nicer. It's as simple as that. Having said this, I think there are a lot of different ways to work with them and end up with everyone happy and, ultimately, prosperous. myke -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.