> So, can you still buy 8088s? I don't know, but you can certainly find that out yourself. I sorta remember seeing Z80 selling somewhere recently. That was Zilog's slightly enhanced version of the 8080. > And, if so, what can they do. Do you need > EPROMS for memory? Can they be used in the same way as a PIC can? The early microprocessors all required external memory. The 8080 only has a few registers, but no general storage. Chips of that era also didn't have the integrated perpherals that PICs do. It was a major feat just to get a whole processor onto a single chip. Most PICs are really microcontrollers as apposed to microprocessors. The former is an all in one solution designed for dedicated embedded tasks. Microprocessors can usually act like more general purpose computers. I consider the main distinction is that a microprocessor has a true I/O bus and/or memory bus. Some flavors of the 17 and 18 series PICs have this capability. In fact, this is referred to as "microprocessor mode" by Microchip. Whole computer systems were built around the Intel's 8080, Zilog's Z80, Motorola's 6502 and others. Remember the IMSAI, Altair, CP-M, or even the TRS-80? I still have a darkroom timer that I built with a Z80 in 1980. Yes, it still works perfectly. In fact, it seems the darkroom timer and the Z80 inside has outlasted my using wet silver processes for home photography. This darkroom timer, an enlarger, and a color analyser all with dust covers over them are sitting three feet away from me at the end of the table. Most of the table is now taken up with a Polaroid 35mm scanner, an Epson 1270 photographic printer, a PC with a Pentium III, and a 19 inch monitor. Times change. ******************************************************************** Olin Lathrop, embedded systems consultant in Littleton Massachusetts (978) 742-9014, olin@embedinc.com, http://www.embedinc.com -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu