Reading your email I kept on thinking why don't you just upgrade to 5.30, until the end: > I'm not going to download the huge buggy 5.xx MPLAB > as my 4.00 version is fine. I can't seem to remember that 5.30 is worse than 4.00. I would think it is quit good (if you take in consideration all the bugs that is still there since before 3.00). Only thing I can think of is that you tried 5.0x. Now that one was very buggy, but the problems were sorted with the subsequent releases. Try 5.30, install it in a separate folder than 4.00, so that you can still go back. I agree that the download is huge, why can't they just release the files that has changed in a patch? Can't see why it could be so difficult as most of the stuff is modules and only gets repeated. Quentin -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body