I've seen the consequences of this type of supply in some timer modules used in some equipment I was involved in installing. Fault logging was poor on the site but I believe two units failed in under a year. I got hold of one for examination and the series capacitor was half melted. I find it hard to believe the parts were intrinsicly flawed but I believe they are unusually vulnerable to surges. Looking back I believe the surges originated in a contactor coil every time it shut off, but I'm not aware of any design rules on mixing timers and coils on the same circuit, especially as similar timers are sold as relay accessories. A transient suppressor might have protected it. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.