Microchip has a tendency to announce new PICs _long_ before they are available as "Future Products". I have been waiting, it seems, at least a year for an 18F chip. Now the 16F85 and 16F86 look real good. Also, I'd like to get my hands on the 8 pin 18 series chip (although that almost sounds like an April Fools joke - the 18 core is a bit much for 8 pins). Does anybody have any idea what the typical delay is between announcement and general availability for a new PIC? Bob Ammerman RAm Systems (contract development of high performance, high function, low-level software) -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads