Hi Shane, we manufacture PIC based products too. We use a 20MHz rated PIC at 16MHz to allow safe overhead. We sounce/sink maximum current <5mA total from PIC output pins to reduce PIC die heating and thermal stresses. All inputs and outputs are slew rate limited and clamped by 5.1v zener diodes, AC spike regulated by RC networks. All components are rated for 8x the heat dissipation they actually get. And we haven't had a product failure either. I don't mean to be harsh, but when you talk about real world experience my real world experience tells me to use generous ratings overheads. I respect safty margins in designs like I respect a good driver that allows safety margins on the road. Yes, you can miss hitting the other car by 1 inch and be within spec. I would rather miss it by a good safe margin. Sounds like you don't mind hitting the other car if you don't get whiplash?? ;o) -Roman Shane Tolmie wrote: > > Hi, > > We design and manufacture PIC based units. We have sold just over 1k of units over the past 12 months. We buy all our chips in at > 4Mhz, because they are easier to get hold of. Now, as everyone knows, 20Mhz and 4Mhz chips are made from the same die. We run > chips labelled 4Mhz at 16Mhz, and we have never had any problems at all. > > Conclusion: running 4Mhz chips at 16Mhz is fine. This is based on real world experience, not hearsay or witch hunting. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu