Hi Neil, Microchip is coming out with flash versions and an ICD for the 18 line, so if you can wait, and an ICD is enough of an ICE for you, it'll save you a bunch. Cheers, Bob > I am considering migrating up to a PIC18Cxxx series processor from a PIC16C77. Unfortunately my trusty ICEPIC emulator doesn't have a daughtercard option for the 18 series processors. Are their any <$1000 or atleast <$1500 emulators that support the 18 series PICs? Thanks. -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body