, it isn't my project, and he's already bought the thing....he just > can't get it working. A catch phrase of Captain Mannering springs to mind (for those of you not in the UK this is a character in a comedy series (Dads Army) about the Second World War (don't ask)). Without getting the datasheets first ! "Stupid Boy" :-) Still, the best way of learning is by our mistakes. I continue to learn only by that method (and have the scars to prove it :-)) Regards Chris -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics