Huh, I seem to have started a minor flamewar here with my question. Sorry. Anyway I'd like to say that most cable companies and ALL the phone cos went all digital inside umpteen years ago for cost reasons. What some people called 'switching' here is in fact packet switching. The whole complete entire exception-less inner working of any modern phone switch relies on the subscriber line being digitized immediately at the entry into the switch. Only the ring and line voltage etc systems are analog (DTMF is not analog anymore, it is handled by DSP algorythms in the switch computers). Therefore any phone company that charges any kind of extra for 'digital service' is probably ripping someone off. All they really have to do is route the voice packets into a different line interface (like a Redback as you said). They could probably send the bits down the line directly and achieve (almost) clean 64kbps (at least 56kbps) instead of A/D and modem complications. So DSL or ADSL or HDSL or whatnot is a patch to a patch to make some money off the same old horse. And it does matter a lot what kind of server the phone company has and what it is connected with. Also afaik there are more restrictions on running a server (as in Linux) on DSL than on cable. I think that cable (which is also digitally switched in most places) is superior in capability and technology. I was somewhat surprised to see people prefer DSL to cable anyway, but they must have their reasons. Peter -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu