ELFA and Buerklin have them in the printed catalogue. You mean the usual cheap plastic housing, right? However, they are in a separate paragraph not with the other DBs - apparently an exotic type. You should check: www.buerklin.de (www.burklin.de?) www.elfa.se also www.schuricht.de regards, Djula +AD4-Compatabilty is the key issue - already 300 systems in the field. +AD4- +AD4APg-Practice on an old piece of equipment to convince yourself that a new 25 pin +AD4APg-socket plus 10 minutes labour is a viable alternative to sourcing (and +AD4APg-paying for) rare 23 pin plugs. +AD4- +AD4-They shouldn't be too expensive - maybe AU+ACQ-10 per plug/socket/cover set. +AD4-Regards... -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.