> Precession occurs on the non-rotational plane. > Didn't your machine have both rotations on the same > plane?? Yes it does. Now, if the outer motor's spindle is steady at some intermediate angle then there would be a steady gyroscopic force that can be compensated for by the speed control if necessary ? And what does the machine do again?? ;o) > -Roman Tut, you're like a dog with a bone aren't you ? OK Bowser, I can reveal that one absolutely vital function is that it acts as a support for a thin skin of green paint exactly the same size as the machine itself _ _ 0 0 U -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.