>Is anyone useing these things? Do they work? I'm not a big fan of ICE, but >the price is really amazing. > >James Newton Hi James, I have two ICEPIC Jnr 5X and they works fine for me already several years. Never have had any problems, and their software outperforming MPLAB in any means. ICEPIC do full emulation from 32 kHz to 20 MHz the input levels meet exactly the PIC's levels as I have implemented several projects reading potentiometer's value with RC time delays and never need to re-adjust the times, the input thresholds of the emulator and OTP parts are the same. The only difference with the expensive models is that no trace buffer, which could be work around with more breakpoints ;) My overall impression from RF Solution is that they have great products and very lame sales. When I ordered my emulators I was really pissed off their salesman John Fairall. He send me invoice to my inquiry which was wrong - I paid the amount (and have been charged $30 for the transfer by my bank to cover all expenses) then I got note that the amount is wrong and have been asked to pay another amount of "difference" between what they offered and what the emulators cost. I made new transfer (again had to cover $30 bank charge) and then I realized that this time they overbilled me 100 and something bucks. After several e-mails (last one with warning that I'll post my experience to PICLIST ;) ) I got reply from John that they will return the money they received over the price. Of course the difference came back one month later and with $30 less, charged by their bank as they made the payment without covering this expense. So due to their lame sales manager I paid $90 more for my two emulators. No big deal, but I was really pissed off their attitude. I promised myself to never buy anything else from them, but in December 2000 I broke my promise ;) as I wanted their ICEPIC Jnr 16. It seems they didn't improve with the years, as on December 11 I made new inquiry for ICEPICJNR16+JNRPB74A+delivery by airmail, and got reply on December 20 with quotation for ICEPICJNR16+JNRPB74A+JNRPB77+delivery by UPS (3 times more expensive). This time I just gave up. You can try - maybe you will have more luck ;) Cheers Tsvetan --- PCB prototypes for $26 at http://run.to/pcb -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu