Hi there , I am having lots of fun trying to get my site listed in any of the search engines and generally creating traffic. my site is http://www.orbitcoms.com After having no joy submitting myself, I subscribed to sub,it-it. Their optimization suggested using my keywords multiple times in various places (keyword = rf module). Then I submitted to heaps of sites but none seem to list me. I then downloaded webpositiongold and it analyses my site and suggests that search engines may not use it due to multiple keywords in each part(meta tags etc). Is anyone able to help me get a reasonable position in the major search engines ? Or maybe even help by looking at the site and suggesting some text for a doorway page or a more appropriate title,description and keyword meta tag ? Thanks in advance Regards David Huisman -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.