>I use the picstart with my 16f8xx chips and haven't had a single instance >where the programming didn't take. Do you use it for in-circuit programming, or just chips by themselves? We've had some problems with the picstart not having enough "oomph" to get the job done in-circuit, and have resorted to promates. If you keep the cables short and are careful with the target board design, you might be able to get by with the picstart. I am in the process of attempting to learn exactly what "careful" means here, but one thing I _highly_ recommend at this point: ground RB3 if you aren't using it, or provide a means to temporarily ground it during programming. With our target boards, the need for this varies, and seems to depend on the load on Vcc - but when it is necessary, it is a reproducible, demonstratable problem. -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body