'Hollow bolts' are available, which have built-in strain gages or other means to measure deformation. They are as expensive as strain gages and have the same poblem (sensitive amplifier required). A capacitive 'hollow bolt' sensor is a 'homebrew' type of sensor where the sensing element is a capacitor formed between the bottom of the bolt (which is not drilled through) and a conical piston that is mounted insulated inside the bolt hole and does not touch the bottom of the drilled hole. It is sensed in an AC bridge. The bolt construction is done such that the tip part and the conical piston mount are far removed from the threads so the thread/bolt tightening has no influence on the read value. If you have machining capability you can make your own relatively easily. Capacitive readout using a PIC can be done with a RC delay method (with C being the sensor) which avoids A/D conversion. I do not know if you can reach 1% with this type of conversion. That would be 'cheap' by me anyway ;-). As you have discovered, there are no 'cheap' force measuring devices available. One hack would be to use one of those $50 digital readout micrometers and mount it on the hollow bolt or some other part to measure displacement directly, using a prolonged measuring stick, and connect the optional serial data output from the micrometer to the PIC or another computer. This would give an advantage in that it has a direct readout in place, for adjustment etc. If you have control over the modulus of the part it measures, then you can make it read out directly in lb by adjusting the modulus and the position where you measure the displacement. 50uM readouts are available, if that's 1% of 200 lb then 200lb => 5000um = 5mm. That's a lot of displacement depending on where it happens. I am not a mech. eng. but I think I'd use a compression spring for this. I don't know what compression springs do with temperature variation and aging though. hope it helps, Peter -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body