>I activate VCC then a few 10's of millisecs later raise MCLR from ground >to ~13V. That's all you need to do. The 72 osc clocks will relate to the >reset feature in the chip. The OSC1 pin should be tied low (or high), >and not left floating, before and during the programming process to stop >any clock pulses incrementing the program counter. Tony, thanks for the response. When I do this "in-circuit", when I activate Vcc, MCLR will also rise to Vcc. Then I am raising MCLR from Vcc instead of from ground. Also, since the chip in installed on a target board, the OSC pins are hooked up, so I would think the chip would actually "run" for the period of time between activating Vcc and raising MCLR. This is the mode of operation I'm trying to get a handle on. Thanks again for the help. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.