Ok, I need some help (again). None of the crystals that I am trying = seem to be working, and I have narrowed it down to pretty much just the = crystal. My first crystal, was a Series one, so I guess it wouldn't work. I = tried to order the Epson CA301 20Mhz crystal from Digi-Key, but they = only shipped it in quantities of a 1000, but they said that they had a = compatible replacement for it, the Citizen CSA306 20Mhz. I bought 3 of = them, but ended up with 3 bags of 5 for ~$3. Really cheap. Their max = imp. is 18pf, but Radio Shack didn't have any 18pf, so I got 10. 10 = might be too low, not sure, so I'm going to try 22 later. What I want to know, is can somebody please tell me the manufacture/part = no and where you bought it for a crystal that is known to work with the = 16F877? I don't want to spend more and more money on shipping that is = more than the part when I don't really need to. BTW, my test program to see if it works is just storing something in = EEPROM. Taken right from the PIC's datasheet. Thank you very much, Ken -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu