I know you guys are probably thinking that I could just shoot at a piece of paper and then look at it. I do appreciate the KISS solution, but this is already where I am at. When you are "patterning" the shot from a shotgun, you try to get the best distribution to optimize your chances of hitting the clay bird. This weekend, after patterning 6 kinds of shells, through two different guns, with 3 different choke tubes each, and at several distances from the target paper, I ended up with nearly 100 pieces of paper hanging in the shop. 4 by 4 foot paper takes up a little room anyway. Then you have to manually count over 300 holes on each piece, for now we ignore the holes outside of a certain diameter. Then you look for gaps in the pattern and subjectively judge the different combinations. I would like to be able to electronically capture the shot pattern to speed things up a lot, and then put together some software to analyze it and graph it out. Some statistical methods could be employed too. Thanks to everyone, I really appreciate the help so far! Tony olin: >Does the device have to work more than once? simon: you're thinking "big sheet of cardboard" ? think i have seen a similar technique used before ... :) -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads