Well, there are some basic compilers for pics out there, but either are expensive or crap. The only exception is, of course, Basic Stamps and PicBasic. There is something out there called the OOPic (Object-Oriented Pic). It comes with an IDE that handles a version of Visual Basic or C if you like. Not quite as expensive as the Basic Stamp, and a lot cheaper to program (little or no external hardware to connect it to the PC). They are specifically designed for robotics, but can be used for most anything. For more information you might wanna look at the Gernsback (Poptronics Magazine) Website. They did an article about 4 months back. http://www.poptronics.com/cgi-bin/texis/webinator/searchc/?db=db&query=OOPic James Burkart -----Original Message----- From: pic microcontroller discussion list [mailto:PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU]On Behalf Of Brian Kraut Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 2:05 PM To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Subject: [EE] C++ vs. Visual Basic I had planned on learning C++ a while ago so I could write general PC software for various things (data logging, various interfaces to PIC projects, machinery alarm and monitoring, etc.). After reading the first few chapters of a book several times over the last 6 months I realized that someone who works 60 hours a week, designs and sells PIC products on the side, has a family and almost no free time, and only will program occasionally will never learn C++. I was thinking of trying VB. What if anything will I loose by using VB instead and is it a lot easier to learn than C++? -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body